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Lishy · Nov 09, 2010, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Why is it I NEVER see PuG eles ever using Ether Renewal, and outright refuse to do so when we are short on healers? Am I missing something, or other? Because I thought it was a GREAT skill when I used it on heroes, so I really wonder why human eles themselves never use it???

maxxfury · Nov 09, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Bad players?
Players who dont know about it?
Players who dont understand it?
Fear of health sac from infuse?!
Players with an AGE old mentality that divine favour > all! even in the face of the evidence and math?
Pugs want what is EASIEST to play bars for any idiot with the highest chance of win?

usually for pugs, UA or HB spam yah? ...kinda makes sense, any idiot can push party bars :P

Cuilan · Nov 09, 2010, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I sometimes use it and on occasion seen PUG eles use it, but it's not something everyone would enjoy or excel at. Some players may find it to be like work because of all the casting, covering, and energy maintaining. Not all players understand why you should have high energy.

BlackSephir · Nov 09, 2010, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Lishy

Why is it I NEVER see PuG eles ever using Ether Renewal, and outright refuse to do so when we are short on healers? Am I missing something, or other? Because I thought it was a GREAT skill when I used it on heroes, so I really wonder why human eles themselves never use it???

My theory is that pugs are terrible but I need to do more research.

End · Nov 09, 2010, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

My theory is that pugs are terrible but I need to do more research.

I can confirm this theory

Klance · Nov 09, 2010, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Because most PuG prefer party heals via UA/HB despite it being ineffective unless you run some form of midline mitigation (SY/ST rit/etc).

Master Fuhon · Nov 09, 2010, 02:36 AM // 02:36

People who enjoy playing Ether Renewal Infuse/prot spammers have been proven by scientific studies to have diminished brain capacity, low enough to qualify them as functioning in a vegetative state. There are no Ether Renewal eles in outposts for the reason that they can barely find zaishen quest outposts, communicate through game interface, function in society without being led by guild members, etc. In fact, by the time you read this message, the plug has been pulled on yet another ER ele for passing into the irreversible state of complete brain death. But don't worry about this, because in the same duration of time, 2 more people have read the descriptions in the game manual, and chosen the Elementalist class for it's implied expertise in defending the party with Monk skills.

Most people make a monk for using monk defensive skills play that monk when they want to heal or protect. I also made a ritualist for using ritualist defensive skills and I play that ritualist when I want a different style of healing than I can get on my monk. When people play an Elementalist, it is because they want to make builds using mostly Elementalist skills. I personally do not mind being forced to defend the party with blind and wards; I have fun doing this even, but it is not the most effective thing anymore. I also do not mind taking the occasional monk skill on top of my superior energy management skills to help out on defense, like just the other day I took Aegis.

Necromas · Nov 09, 2010, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Most people who create and play eles did not do so to play a backline role.

It's a pain in the *** just playing a monk in general, let alone having to keep track of so many enchantments and such a volatile energy pool. It's also boring.

Gennadios · Nov 09, 2010, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Lishy

Why is it I NEVER see PuG eles ever using Ether Renewal, and outright refuse to do so when we are short on healers? Am I missing something, or other? Because I thought it was a GREAT skill when I used it on heroes, so I really wonder why human eles themselves never use it???

Dude, where have you been all my life? I refuse to run my El or Mo as anything but healers, mostly because the El and Mo suck as damage classes.

Why is it that my Mo manages to find groups within the first minute of spamming an LFG for a ZM, and I can spend upwards of 20 LFGing my El? And why is it that half the time they then ask me to run a damage build?

One of life's mysteries I suppose.

Fun Fact: Dhuum and Co is capable of doing massive damage, but the speed of attack is so low that a single ER can effectively bind a 7/8 group and maintain energy throughout the entire encounter, allowing the backup monk to commit seppuku so that he may then perform the useful function of removing DP from the party.

Voodoo Rage · Nov 09, 2010, 03:29 AM // 03:29

ER is amazingly powerful but it's kind of mind numbingly boring. Also a lot of people have no idea how good it is.

maxxfury · Nov 09, 2010, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Oh and, since when has the bars pugs run been taken as the gospel of good builds? :P

Using pugs as a baseline for good bars is a little silly

qazwersder · Nov 09, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

A lot of players dont understand the build, much of the time if you join a pug as a ER you will be asked (told) to go fire or air.

Edit: I feel I should add, pugging only knows HB/UA, what happened to the prot monk? HB/UA works with an imba, but without....

Edit 2: I think what I'm saying is that due to overpowered PvE skills, much of the player base is somwhat lacking in knowledge of game mechanics and how it works.

Cuilan · Nov 09, 2010, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I had PUGs that tried to make me do damage, but I also had ones with two monks and one going smite by my request. This isn't a PUG thread, the OP mentioned people and that includes ourselves and guildies.

Gennadios · Nov 09, 2010, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

ER is amazingly powerful but it's kind of mind numbingly boring. Also a lot of people have no idea how good it is.

You just need to play it with a risk-heavy mindset.

I wouldn't recommend it with a pug, but when playing with a group one knows well, constantly shifting bonds and skirting overextension will allow the ER to function as the sole healer for long stretches. The main purpose of the monk is hex and condition control, only taking over the healing when the El overextends and has to start jettisoning enchants to push the energy pool back up.

maxxfury · Nov 09, 2010, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

This isn't a PUG thread, the OP mentioned people and that includes ourselves and guildies.

OP asks why Pug elems refuse to spec for it, and if its a bad skill because he see no pugs running it.. reply was to that...

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Originally Posted by Lishy

Why is it I NEVER see PuG eles ever using Ether Renewal, and outright refuse to do so

Cuilan · Nov 09, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

reply was to that...

That's nice.

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Originally Posted by Lishy

I really wonder why human eles themselves never use it???

Seems like he wants to know why humans in general don't use it.

Skye Marin · Nov 09, 2010, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Hilariously I'm often rejected from Pugs looking for a monk when I suggest I could be an effective ER healer.

Klance · Nov 09, 2010, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Humans don't use it because either:

1. They wish to play the elementalist as a damage dealer (no matter that other classes are more effective) and groups want elementalists as damage dealers.

2. The flip side being most PuG groups reject ER eles even when they are looking for a healer.

arutha8 · Nov 09, 2010, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Well, we all know ER is powerful, but please not foget that people creating Eles for their damaging ability and most of the time they just don't want to play as a healer. However monks generally are created by people who wants to support party. In my opinion, thats why you can not find ERs at outpost

Another thing, aslo some people just not want to play with meta-builds, I don't think ER is hard to play or hard to understand

But when you rejected by a PUG even if you suggest you can heal, ah , thats stupid, I can not say anything about it, E/Mo healers have always been here since the beginning

Loki Seiguro · Nov 09, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Most PUGS are set on their builds and how they want to play. Monks can only heal, eles nuke, rits run SoS, warriors tank, ranger barrage. ---forbid that you come as a rit and run something else or you are a warrior with spear attacks.

Go with heros and henchie...they listen for the most part and they run the bars u want.